Hello
I've returned to EvE Online after about 2 yers - I have 9 mil SP character and try to find my income source in game.
I have one major problem - i can't reach above 15 - 20 milion ISL / hour income.
I've tried L4 missions (loot + salvage + bounty), mining (boring like hell), gas harvesting in WH (like mining), C1 WH Solo anomalies. Well people are able to payout for game time through plexes (1b ISK) and still it is little marigin of their income and I can't break the magic barrier of in most 20M ISK / hour. What i'm doing wrong ? The worst thing is that whenever I find some interesting activity and at the beginning it looks like I've finally found it, when I do the maths it's 15 - 20 M ISK / hour

Everyone keeps suggesting this everywhere...but the OP is already making 20m isk/hour - why go to all the extra effort for roughly the same income?

Using Roenok's estimate that it will take 3 hours to make back the 90 mil spent on the ship:

90 mil in 3 hours is only 30 mil/hour - *after* he skills up,etc.


It isn't significantly better than what he was making in his horribly underskilled battleship grinding L4s at a snail's pace....and it requires him dumping all of the skill training he has to train a ship that uses a different weapons system, different tank, etc - basically telling him to start over from scratch.

I am well aware that Havens are essentially single-pocket L4 combat missions without LP rewards, and thus have a very similar level of income, yes.

So what?

How does that make them *better* for the specific player in question?

A newer player but with decent skills should be able to run the same haven in about 25-30 min. A haven pays around 25 mil in bounty give or take. So that is 50 mil an hour.

Also - yes, everyone needs *some* drone skills.

But to be efficient with a vexor navy issue (or rattlesnake) you need *t2 heavy drones* - these are *not* needed for anything but actual drone boats - and they take just as long to train as any other battleship class weapons system - so his time might be better spend perfecting the system he has already chosen...

If you throw the OP into a haven right now with his current skills he'll be lucky to get the same isk he is making now...
What some other theoretical player with the right skills/ship/fit makes is irrelevant if you insist on comparing them *TO THE OP*...

Quibbling about details for drones/etc aside, my core point remains:
The player you are talking about will make just as much if not more running L4 missions in high sec as they will running havens in 0.0 - so *why* should the OP go do the havens instead of just doing the same thing right where he is now?

Additionally - since the OP is running L4s in his maelstrom and not dieing - he is obviously close to having the skills to fly it properly - he just needs more DPS related skills (and eventually an upgrade to the machariel)... So your whining about how long it takes to train into is irrelevant - he has already put in most of the training time. As Baltec has already pointed out he can easily upgrade into the machariel any time he is ready.


And of course T1/Faction drones can be used - just like meta 4 guns can be used on a battleship... But good luck getting 60m isk per hour with them...


I never said Havens weren't good isk - I said they are essentially the same as L4s for income - the bounties are a bit more accessible since they are all single-pocket - and since they give no LP at all, it comes out pretty much exactly even...

I just asked why the OP should throw away everything he has done and pretend he just started EVE today just to go out there and make *the same* amount of isk as he is almost trained to make in high-sec... And you have yet to give me a good answer.

Gotta disagree on the cross training into the domi, the best ship is the mach not only because its very good at missions but also because its a rather quick train to get into as he already has the matari battleship and autocannon skills trained. Swapping out to the tempest could be an option here.

So just to clarify - you are saying that the only valid form of PvE is 0.0 havens - and anybody doing any PvE other than that is an idiot because they could be making significantly more isk much easier doing 0.0 havens?

I may not know a lot about PvE - but I know that is ****ing stupid. If it is true, then EVE is a lot more broken than I thought it was.

edit: And I already gave the OP my useful advice ages ago - yes I've gotten sidetracked wondering why people want him to start over on an entirely new path seeminly at random now...